New and In Need Of Some Guidance

[5kgLifter]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

No I havent. I plan on taking my meassurements and gageing my progress from that because I have a real fear of scales. I acutally get anxiety attacks when I weigh myself. In the end, my goal is to be slimmer, and down to a reasonable size, the weight doent matter to me so much as the size of my body does.

Don't get anxious, you've lost a good deal of weight so far , and anxiety causes stress which can actually make the body hang on to fat...when my mother visited us, some years ago, she couldn't work out why she had lost weight and was eating well, until the doctor explained to her that she was relaxed and that that is probably what helped. And, of course, it's wise to focus on bodyfat loss, not weight loss (by the scales), since you can go down in size and still weigh the same (depending obviously on initial weight to begin with, but I think you know what I mean). Be proud of your efforts when you step on that scale, and don't get despondent, you are doing something about it, and not everyone can say that.

[5kgLifter]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

Thank you. fish oil is great for your heart! Like I sadi I also take green tea suplement because it boosts your metabolism. As for the vegetables, I eat them at breakfast lunch , and dinner, lunch and dinner being multiple servings. I dont think its supposed to be like atkins really, because atkins is low carb and low fat to bring your body to ketosis, where the TNT diet doent bring your body to ketosis. Instead it drains your glycogen stores so you burn fat for energy instead. Thus this diet is supposed to burn fat with no tissue loss.

Yes, I took a look at the TNT diet online, and I'm not really sure what I think about it even though I did read that it is supposed to affect glycogen stores, as you say...The problem for me is that glycogen is what gives us our energy, which is why I'd be concerned about eliminating carbs, in my own diet, apart from the fact that I'd have to skip my much loved spud/potato I would also be concerned about the fat intake, since 'fatty liver' can also be caused by excess of fat, not just alcohol.

Actually, in case anyone doesn't know: cirrosis (??) 'fatty liver' through alcohol consumption is caused because the body processes alcohol as a toxin and leaves the processing of fats until its done with the alcohol, which is what causes the 'fatty liver', so it's not really caused directly by the alcohol but by the non-processing of the fats, whilst the body is dealing with the alcohol.

And many thanks to Stikfigure, I didn't know that's how the Atkins works, but I do now.

[WolfLady]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

No I havent. I plan on taking my meassurements and gageing my progress from that because I have a real fear of scales. I acutally get anxiety attacks when I weigh myself. In the end, my goal is to be slimmer, and down to a reasonable size, the weight doent matter to me so much as the size of my body does.

Good girl, well said! Often women obsess over the scales, not realising that it is only a general guide, not an indication of "perfection".

I googled this TNT thing too, and I have to admit they sell it quite well. As 5kg said, though, it leaves out the carbs which is what actually gives us energy. If you have none, then you're not going to be putting your all into your workouts, which is the true fat burning weapon.

[MeganJ]

Thank you very much Wolflady and 5kg for the positive feed back. the thing with the TNT diet is that in the first couple of days you feel sluggish as the carbs exit the body, but your body then begins to burn fat for energy. With New Rules there is really no chance to wimp out. haha.

[stikfigure]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

Thank you. fish oil is great for your heart! Like I sadi I also take green tea suplement because it boosts your metabolism. As for the vegetables, I eat them at breakfast lunch , and dinner, lunch and dinner being multiple servings. I dont think its supposed to be like atkins really, because atkins is low carb and low fat to bring your body to ketosis, where the TNT diet doent bring your body to ketosis. Instead it drains your glycogen stores so you burn fat for energy instead. Thus this diet is supposed to burn fat with no tissue loss.

Ketosis is something that happens from a high fat diet. Atkins did promote high fat too. The more fatty acids the liver is inundated with for degradation (either by high dietary fat and low dietary glucose, starvation or diabetes) the more ketone bodies are released into the blood as a byproduct of this process. The body is only able to break down or "oxidize" so much of the ketones at a time and the overload of ketones increases the oxidative stress on the body. Oxidative stress is a fancy term that basically translates into increased rate of tissue aging.

monitor how your breath smells. ketosis is often accompanied by an acetone odor on the breath.

and who knows, maybe if you add a sufficient amount of antioxidants you might offset the stress to the body.

One of the warnings to taking high doses of fish oil is also to make sure there is a fair dose of antioxidants entering your tissues as well because of this very phenomenon of fats literally turning rancid in our body for the slow elimination of these fat metabolism byproducts.

eskimos who grow up with a very high fat diet actually do just fine because it's a gradual process that their physiology has adapted to over generations

[MeganJ]

Originally Posted by stikfigure

Ketosis is something that happens from a high fat diet. Atkins did promote high fat too. The more fatty acids the liver is inundated with for degradation (either by high dietary fat and low dietary glucose, starvation or diabetes) the more ketone bodies are released into the blood as a byproduct of this process. The body is only able to break down or "oxidize" so much of the ketones at a time and the overload of ketones increases the oxidative stress on the body. Oxidative stress is a fancy term that basically translates into increased rate of tissue aging.

monitor how your breath smells. ketosis is often accompanied by an acetone odor on the breath.

and who knows, maybe if you add a sufficient amount of antioxidants you might offset the stress to the body.

One of the warnings to taking high doses of fish oil is also to make sure there is a fair dose of antioxidants entering your tissues as well because of this very phenomenon of fats literally turning rancid in our body for the slow elimination of these fat metabolism byproducts.

eskimos who grow up with a very high fat diet actually do just fine because it's a gradual process that their physiology has adapted to over generations

The Atkins diet is low carb and moderate fat. Thats why it works while you are on it, but as soon as you eat bread and pasta again your doomed. With this diet Im not in ketosis. And the fish pills, like I said they are great, but I take 4 a day, which is actually only about 2 grams epa/dha, and that is about the minimum per the FDA. Obviously if you are taking an extreme amount there will be negative effects. If you have the chance, try to look up the TNT diet its on mens health website.

[stikfigure]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

The Atkins diet is low carb and moderate fat. Thats why it works while you are on it, but as soon as you eat bread and pasta again your doomed. With this diet Im not in ketosis. And the fish pills, like I said they are great, but I take 4 a day, which is actually only about 2 grams epa/dha, and that is about the minimum per the FDA. Obviously if you are taking an extreme amount there will be negative effects. If you have the chance, try to look up the TNT diet its on mens health website.

I'm glad you are enjoying the TNT diet. Thought you and other readers would be interested in the simple biochemistry of what the body does when primarily using fat for energy. It doesn't matter how you do it. If the end result is giving the liver more fat to break down for energy rather than glycogen then the increase in ketones is unavoidable. That's all.

[5kgLifter]

Originally Posted by MeganJ

The Atkins diet is low carb and moderate fat. Thats why it works while you are on it, but as soon as you eat bread and pasta again your doomed. With this diet Im not in ketosis. And the fish pills, like I said they are great, but I take 4 a day, which is actually only about 2 grams epa/dha, and that is about the minimum per the FDA. Obviously if you are taking an extreme amount there will be negative effects. If you have the chance, try to look up the TNT diet its on mens health website.

I've had a chance to read up a little more about the TNT diet, although it's difficult to find any info on it. One reader's comment on a blog seems to suggest that it follows, to a degree, the sort of tweaking of the diet that bodybuilders use before a contest. I did read that they have time-zones for eating, 3 I think it said; they appear to cut out my favourite food altogether...the potato. It is possible that these time-zones eating areas conincide with the protein and carb manipulations that bodybuilders use, but I can't say, as I said there was very little information on the internet...maybe you could explain a bit more about how it works, if you wouldn't mind. I took a look at the Men's Health website, but didn't really find much about the exact dietary areas, only 3 recipes, and some idea of how it works...but I'd be interested to know more about the three time zones and how they manipulate the diet around them.
Either way, let us know how it works out for you.